the truth is that president obama has said that if you are able to keep your health care plan you can do it. i think he is trying to fix that. i don't think that president clinton was trying to create distance for the next race. >> so you don't think it had anything to do with trying to keep hillary clinton out of the mix? >> i don't think so. they are very tied together. it is going to be hard to separate them. i don't think there was any distance that the president was trying to create. >> american hostage crisis playing out at the same time as the political shake up. kim john un now apparently trying to oust his uncle. and this case having an impact on the case of merrill new man who has been detained in north korea for six weeks now. >> i can understand that in u.s. and western countries there is misleading information and propaganda. well, governor, you know a lot about this and you have gone to north korea and been successful several times. where does this case stand? >> well, this is very, very flabbergasting and bizarre. this american korean war veteran, he is 85 years old. he